Comments on: 10 Ways to Work for Christ http://christcentred.org/2008/12/13/10-ways-to-work-for-christ/ Helping Ordinary People Keep Christ Central Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:35:14 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Tim Wilson http://christcentred.org/2008/12/13/10-ways-to-work-for-christ/#comment-338 Tim Wilson Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:19:43 +0000 http://christcentred.wordpress.com/?p=302#comment-338 Andrew, glad you enjoyed it. I like your emphasis on praise. Definitely worth adding. Eshu, I must have given a wrong impression of myself, I'm definitely evil! Yeah maybe the JWs are right on the shape of the cross. It's a point I'm more than willing to concede. However, I'm not going to change my site logo, a stake in the ground would just be confusing. Andrew, glad you enjoyed it. I like your emphasis on praise. Definitely worth adding.

Eshu, I must have given a wrong impression of myself, I’m definitely evil!

Yeah maybe the JWs are right on the shape of the cross. It’s a point I’m more than willing to concede. However, I’m not going to change my site logo, a stake in the ground would just be confusing.

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By: Eshu http://christcentred.org/2008/12/13/10-ways-to-work-for-christ/#comment-337 Eshu Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:47:38 +0000 http://christcentred.wordpress.com/?p=302#comment-337 Oh and yes, the JWs do believe some pretty odd things based on a single Bible verse and for the most part I see their religion as the worst parts of Christianity magnified to absurdity. However, there are a few things I think they have right, for example the <a href="http://yunshui.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/how-to-make-a-christian-cross/" rel="nofollow">shape of the crucifix</a>. Incidentally I think I may be blacklisted by the JWs too! Hehe, how terrible for me! Oh and yes, the JWs do believe some pretty odd things based on a single Bible verse and for the most part I see their religion as the worst parts of Christianity magnified to absurdity. However, there are a few things I think they have right, for example the shape of the crucifix.

Incidentally I think I may be blacklisted by the JWs too! Hehe, how terrible for me!

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By: Eshu http://christcentred.org/2008/12/13/10-ways-to-work-for-christ/#comment-336 Eshu Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:43:54 +0000 http://christcentred.wordpress.com/?p=302#comment-336 <blockquote>All of us are evil.</blockquote> Speak for yourself! :-) Actually, I don't think you're evil. In fact I could hardly disagree more with that last statement!

All of us are evil.

Speak for yourself! :-)

Actually, I don’t think you’re evil. In fact I could hardly disagree more with that last statement!

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By: Andrew Noble http://christcentred.org/2008/12/13/10-ways-to-work-for-christ/#comment-335 Andrew Noble Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:32:38 +0000 http://christcentred.wordpress.com/?p=302#comment-335 Tim, I like it. - Ever since I started catching the bus to work every day, I have been blessed with some great books that I have ploughed through. - It's true, people <em>do</em> notice when you stay out of gossip. - Putting in your two cents worth from a Christian perspective is important when people make comments that give you an opportunity to share the gospel (or an aspect of it) - Working as if Christ were your boss - now there's a challenge! Also, I would extend "Pray Throughout the Day" to "<em>Praise</em> Throughout the Day". Thank God for the little things he does for you and always acknowledge Him in everything you do. I think if all Christians would seriously take on your principles above, then we could have a much greater impact on our workplaces. So my challenge to readers and to myself is to start being more purposeful in how we go about our lives. Tim, I like it.

- Ever since I started catching the bus to work every day, I have been blessed with some great books that I have ploughed through.

- It’s true, people do notice when you stay out of gossip.

- Putting in your two cents worth from a Christian perspective is important when people make comments that give you an opportunity to share the gospel (or an aspect of it)

- Working as if Christ were your boss – now there’s a challenge!

Also, I would extend “Pray Throughout the Day” to “Praise Throughout the Day”. Thank God for the little things he does for you and always acknowledge Him in everything you do.

I think if all Christians would seriously take on your principles above, then we could have a much greater impact on our workplaces. So my challenge to readers and to myself is to start being more purposeful in how we go about our lives.

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By: Tim Wilson http://christcentred.org/2008/12/13/10-ways-to-work-for-christ/#comment-334 Tim Wilson Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:03:38 +0000 http://christcentred.wordpress.com/?p=302#comment-334 A good addition. It is definitely important that the conversation be a discussion. There is plenty of evidence Christians engaged with the culture. Paul in Athens discusses their gods and prophets (Acts 17), so he must have known what they said. Jesus asks people what they think regularly (i.e. Mark 11:27-32), indeed this was how Rabbis debated back then. So I totally agree. Some Jehovah's Witnesses came to our house and they were indoctrinated to believe the Greek said such and such a thing. My Dad got out his Greek New Testament and showed it didn't. What did the JW big wigs do? Blacklisted our house, because they were scared we might convert their members. Christians should have no such fears as our faith is true. Our culture seems to go one of two ways (and every religion does this, including atheism): 1) Reject the harsh views of other religions and your own, expecting a fuzzy "we all believe the same" relativism (which is probably another religion anyway). 2) Believing strongly in your views and trying to force views on other people. The middle line is a to accept we both have different views and only one can be right and discussing the consequences. Our message is about personal faith, not brainwashing. And in reference to the article, I would love to chat to the person who wrote it, though I think they're misguided on many points. By the way, when you hear slaves don't think Africans shipped off in trade ships, slaves in the Bible did not have such a terrible existance. It was more like a full-time contract (but without an escape clause). Most ancient Greek philosphers were slaves, as they needed a patron. It wasn't a terrible position. And if you read v9 you wil see that Paul is harsh on both. Both having authority and being under it can cause sin. I've been in workplaces where the employers have been harsh to the employees and the employees have been spiteful to the employers. Marxist/socialist/feminist ideas that those in authority are evil is too simplistic. All of us are evil. Thanks for your addition! A good addition. It is definitely important that the conversation be a discussion.
There is plenty of evidence Christians engaged with the culture. Paul in Athens discusses their gods and prophets (Acts 17), so he must have known what they said. Jesus asks people what they think regularly (i.e. Mark 11:27-32), indeed this was how Rabbis debated back then. So I totally agree.

Some Jehovah’s Witnesses came to our house and they were indoctrinated to believe the Greek said such and such a thing. My Dad got out his Greek New Testament and showed it didn’t. What did the JW big wigs do? Blacklisted our house, because they were scared we might convert their members.

Christians should have no such fears as our faith is true.

Our culture seems to go one of two ways (and every religion does this, including atheism):

1) Reject the harsh views of other religions and your own, expecting a fuzzy “we all believe the same” relativism (which is probably another religion anyway).

2) Believing strongly in your views and trying to force views on other people.

The middle line is a to accept we both have different views and only one can be right and discussing the consequences. Our message is about personal faith, not brainwashing.

And in reference to the article, I would love to chat to the person who wrote it, though I think they’re misguided on many points.

By the way, when you hear slaves don’t think Africans shipped off in trade ships, slaves in the Bible did not have such a terrible existance. It was more like a full-time contract (but without an escape clause). Most ancient Greek philosphers were slaves, as they needed a patron. It wasn’t a terrible position.

And if you read v9 you wil see that Paul is harsh on both. Both having authority and being under it can cause sin. I’ve been in workplaces where the employers have been harsh to the employees and the employees have been spiteful to the employers. Marxist/socialist/feminist ideas that those in authority are evil is too simplistic. All of us are evil.

Thanks for your addition!

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By: Eshu http://christcentred.org/2008/12/13/10-ways-to-work-for-christ/#comment-333 Eshu Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:21:11 +0000 http://christcentred.wordpress.com/?p=302#comment-333 Hey Tim, That sounds like generally good advice. With number 4 however, I'd say that before you start sharing your beliefs with others, it is worth considering how you would feel about someone else sharing their alternative religion with you. If you'd be annoyed to have a colleague share their beliefs on say, <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/buddhism/beliefs/jesusandbuddhism_1.shtml" rel="nofollow">Buddhism</a>, you should be slow to start lecturing them on what you believe. From Ephesians 6:5-8 alone I think you can tell that Paul wasn't a slave, but someone is a position of relative power! Hey Tim,

That sounds like generally good advice. With number 4 however, I’d say that before you start sharing your beliefs with others, it is worth considering how you would feel about someone else sharing their alternative religion with you. If you’d be annoyed to have a colleague share their beliefs on say, Buddhism, you should be slow to start lecturing them on what you believe.

From Ephesians 6:5-8 alone I think you can tell that Paul wasn’t a slave, but someone is a position of relative power!

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